Burruss was in Center East servicing aircraft for Desert Defend
This is the 3rd installment of an interview that historian Joe Todd did with Mark…

This is the 3rd installment of an interview that historian Joe Todd did with Mark Burruss on Could 15, 2021, in Bartlesville. The interview has been frivolously edited for length and clarity.
(The job interview picks up with Burress likely to Saudi Arabia to provide in Operation Desert Defend.)
Todd: Wherever ended up you when Saddam invaded Kuwait?
Burruss: I was at Hurlburt Area. The store main came down and claimed, “We are heading to have to send four individuals to Saudi Arabia.” He stated the ones that were being in Just Trigger had initially selection. He said this was August and if you want to go, you would almost certainly rotate out before Xmas. My shop main, Kenny Tyson, Rodrigues, myself and Mike Mathers all volunteered to go. We thought we would go and be back again in advance of Christmas. We all experienced households. As quickly as we landed above there on the tarmac, it was 105 levels, your boots stuck to the blacktop and it was unquestionably a distinct weather from tropical Florida.
T: Wherever did you land in Arabia?
B: King Fahd International Airport.
T: Where by is that found?
B: In the middle of nowhere. There is no city. The British experienced persuaded Saudi Arabia that if you develop an airport, a city will improve close to it. When we landed at King Fahd International Airport, they experienced the runway created, the terminal crafted and that was the only detail built. We had a sister airport they identified as the “Royal Airport” and was essentially a quarter-mile absent and that is where by the royalty landed. They experienced their have minimal terminal and wasn’t as lengthy a runway. That is the place they had A-10s. Us, as AC-130 gunships, we experienced the major terminal and we shared the primary terminal with the Army, which they had Blackhawks, Comanches, Apaches and all their plane at the exact same foundation. There genuinely wasn’t anything at all shut. We were being basically in the center of the desert. To go to city, you had to get in a car or truck and generate 30 minutes.
T: This was even now Desert Shield?
B: Desert Shield.
T: What did you do?
B: Basically, if you had an plane to do the job on, you labored your aircraft. If you did not have an aircraft, we had revetments and it was metal plating that you assembled and fill it full of sand. You create up the upcoming amount and continue to keep filling it up and you make a barrier wall that way if a little something did appear in and explode one plane, it would continue to keep the shrapnel from going to the following airplane and blowing up consecutive plane. We did that for roughly about a few weeks to shield every plane we experienced about there. Other than that, we had a large amount of engage in time. Play time is not what persons believe. You might get a soccer and throw it all around or could possibly get a basketball and engage in around. There was not a whole whole lot there. You actually didn’t have just about anything to do. If you were being not performing, they would locate anything for you to do. At our foundation, they experienced the A-10s and they brought woodworking tools and you could in fact construct furniture for your tent. We stayed in a 20-man tent and there have been generally 10 males in a tent. You could build yourself a bed, develop a bookshelf. Your relatives would deliver you things, so you had trinkets and set them on your shelf. You labored 12-hour shifts, and on your down time, you could go more than and create nearly anything out of wooden you wanted. I would like to thank the Coca-Cola Business, because in Saudi Arabia, they did not permit Coke. The explanation why, mainly because there was a Jew that sat on the board of administrators of Coca-Cola. Saudi Arabia does not like Jewish individuals, so they would not let them import Coke. But Coca-Cola sent above cases of Coca-Cola for just about every company member and they gave it to us absolutely free of cost. I am a Coca-Cola drinker and say thank you to the Coca-Cola Firm.
T: Did you have any contact with the local men and women?
B: Yes, we acquired to get started heading downtown right before Desert Storm took off. There was just one mall, and I did volunteer to drive a bus, so I obtained my bus professional license, so I could either acquire people down in a bus or a van. Basically, it was just like a shopping mall here in the United States. It had a bunch of outlets inside. The only big difference, you experienced distinct procedures. There is no alcoholic beverages permitted in Saudi Arabia, in any way. We thought it was weird that there was no alcohol, but however, you could go to a Safeway and on aisle 18, they experienced all the things you necessary to make a even now. They experienced kettle pots, copper tubing, 50-pound bags of sugar and yeast in massive portions. You could not have alcoholic beverages in Saudi Arabia, but anything you essential to make a however. Needless to say, we had some youthful guys that attempted making a continue to. I’m not saying it worked, but they tried out. We didn’t have any hillbillies from Tennessee that could make a still, but we were being wanting for them. We discovered methods about it.
T: How did you come across techniques close to it?
B: To the up coming generation, you tell your spouse to acquire a bottle of ginger ale, give the youngsters the ginger ale and fill it with your favorite beverage. Mine was Jim Beam. She would get a 2-liter bottle, give the ginger ale to the youngsters, pour the bottle of Jim Beam into the 2-liter bottle, seal it again up and place it in a care bundle and mail it to you. My spouse started sending me a care package about after a thirty day period. That is how I had cost-free Coke. For the full length of the war, I claimed, “If you want some ginger ale, I have to have some Coke.” These men would go invest in a six-pack of Coke just so they could open one and I would set some ginger ale in their Coke and they would be glad to go away me the other five. I experienced my personal supply of Coca Cola.
T: Did you acquire element in the air war?
B: Was I in the aircraft? No. We have been there when we despatched our aircraft out. We missing 1 aircraft. One of our AC’s, they ended up out executing their evening mission. Most of our missions have been at night time. They were out executing a mission and the sunlight was coming up and we had some Marines that came on the radio and they have been under heavy attack and they were inquiring for anyone that could support, by any means. The aircraft commander received all people on headsets and he mentioned, “I have to have everyone agree, we both stay and help these men or we go property.” He had to have 100 {f7ace28afe27113323ebcbc15db4aacb666c5f5c079bf840994bad8a1353241c} Alright to remain. All people gentlemen did and they ended up shot down. I have a tattoo on my arm that is a listing of their names. Fourteen of my brothers died that working day. I experienced that tattoo set on there for them so they will not be neglected.
T: Did you acquire part in Desert Storm?
B: We have been there the complete time. We didn’t leave right until March. That is when they finally permit us rotate out.
T: Did your job improve among Desert Shield and Desert Storm?
B: No, we took care of our plane. You in essence took care of everything that required to be finished. It did not issue if it was your job or not. If any person desired help, you served them. That is the way it is. Hurlburt is a smaller field and most of the men there ended up like spouse and children.
T: When you satisfied the neighborhood folks, what was their response to you?
B: It is variety of strange, for the reason that a great deal of them went on with their day-to-day existence. Saudi Arabia is a genuine loaded place, and when you go to the mall, you never interact with Saudi Arabians. You interact with people that were being brought there to run the merchants. So, they may be from India or wherever from various pieces of the entire world. They all came there with an opportunity to operate. The only time you interacted with the Saudi Arabians was with the religious police. You have the usual police and you have the spiritual police. Anytime they experienced their prayer, they manufactured guaranteed all the Saudis went to their prayer rooms and did their prayers. But all the organizations experienced to shut down. They had to shut their door and had wait around for the prayer to finish. The moment the prayer was more than, the sliding doors went again up and business enterprise was standard. Mike Mathers went downtown a person time with us and we have been in a cafe and we ended up essentially speaking to some Saudi Arabians and they ended up educated in the United States. They needed to convert you to Muslim. They would communicate to you about Christianity. They understood a good deal about Christianity, but they would say, “Christianity is the past” they want you to be Muslim now and that is the current and that is their perception. They attempt to convert you the total time, no subject how challenging you discuss for Christianity. They normally had an response. In our educational facilities, we learn math and reading part of their classes is the Koran. You have to master the Koran and you have to understand Christianity, so you can fight it. When they took Jesus out of the educational institutions in this article, it harm us. I’m upset about that, but that is the way our government appears to be to be heading. Let us not upset any person any longer.
T: We have to be politically right.
B: Yes. I can comprehend, we are a melting pot of distinctive nations, but American Indians had been here first. We need to have to be a melting pot of American Indians and everyone else. I have done a whole lot of spouse and children analysis and we came from England. I don’t have any American Indian in me, and I was a very little upset with that I considered we experienced some in the bloodline. I consider we just ought to be just people and let everybody live their life, that is what The us is about. Let all people do what they want to do, but we received to get above this offending people today. It is not offensive to argue with someone it is your appropriate to have an viewpoint. I joined the army so every person would have that correct. You have your viewpoint and I’ll defend your viewpoint. If you are an American, you have the ideal to argue. A good deal of these countries I have been to, if you argue, you will end up useless. People of the United States are spoiled. In Saudi Arabia, there was a gentleman that had no hand. He was convicted of stealing and they slice your hand off. If you go down and steal from Walmart, “Just really don’t do that anymore”, they do not do anything to you. In Saudi Arabia, they slice your hand off and now you are an outcast.
T: Do you know why they slash the correct hand off? You can’t sit at the typical desk.
B: You just can’t try to eat, the left hand is unclean. I did my exploration why they did what they did. A different individual went with me downtown to improve currency, simply because you could get a far better exchange rate at the lender downtown, and we obtained to enjoy a community stoning. We didn’t decide on to enjoy it. This youthful woman was put out in the center and she was accused of adultery. She didn’t seem like she was more than 20 or 22 yrs previous. They had young children as younger as the age of 6. It was a significant crowd they make a significant circle and us, staying military, they wanted us in the entrance. They put stones in your hand and they expected you to throw them. They just get started throwing rocks at her. They read her fees and individuals started out throwing stones. My buddy and me, there was no way we would take component in that. I felt sorry for the younger lady, but we were being informed we could not interfere in any of that. It is their place.
T: What about the guy that was associated in the adultery?
B: Men do no mistaken in Saudi Arabia. People really do not recognize until you really go there. If you are a girl in Saudi Arabia, you are a next-course citizen. You have to trip in the back again of the bus, and it is an real separate compartment. You trip more than the motor compartment with all the fumes and things and you deal with it. Only the men are allowed in the front part. They have their possess doorway. Women have to dress in the black garb and have to have your encounter included. The ones that never are the harmless, the younger little ones. You have to wander driving the men at the very least three paces. They even tried out to get our armed forces gals that ended up in uniform. One was going for walks with two or a few troopers and they were having a dialogue. The spiritual law enforcement came up to her and advised her she couldn’t walk with them, she experienced to walk behind them. That did not clean, not in the armed service. They went the other path, but they stored on them a pair of instances. We were informed that when we go downtown to use widespread feeling and really don’t offend everyone. This is their state. The types I got to satisfy ended up not rude, they knew we were being there to assist them, so they weren’t aggressive towards and us and didn’t loathe us. I talked to some guys who served in Vietnam, and the folks there might have acted like your friend, but they did not want you there. They did not like you. Most of the countries I have been to, they have been delighted you were there. I have not talked to a great deal of guys from Vietnam mainly because a good deal of the men really don’t want to speak about it. That is a shame, becoming a overcome veteran and seeing matters. We had Scud assaults. We had Scuds introduced on us and it tends to make you really feel distinctive. My father was in Vietnam, and he didn’t want to speak about it.
T: Other than dropping your plane, what is your most vivid memory of Desert Storm?
B: Watching rockets consider off. We had Patriot batteries. Every time they released a Scud, we would launch Patriots to shoot it down. You did not know wherever it was heading. I truly have a piece of a Scud. They experienced a person that was shot down about five miles from our base. We experienced some guys go out in a HUMMV and they brought again some major parts of it. We took it to the equipment store and broke it down so all people could have a little souvenir.
T: Would you be part of the Air Pressure again?
B: In a heartbeat. I did my 21 years and obtained out, and if they questioned me to go again, I would do it.
T: When did you retire?
B: February 2006.
T: Did you go back again to Iraq for Iraqi Independence?
B: No. My son, who joined the Air Power and the base they despatched him to was the jumping-off foundation for Afghanistan and it was also the R&R base for the Military. He supported that and fundamentally, when they landed at this foundation, they designed absolutely sure they every single piece of devices they wanted in advance of the subsequent locale. He received out following 10 a long time.
T: I’d like to do a phrase affiliation. I’ll give you some phrases and you give me your response.
B: OK.
T: The initial a single is Primary Teaching.
B: Mind online games.
T: C-130 and AC-130.
B: Trash hauler to the most effective plane in the globe. The C-130 is a trash hauler and the AC-130 will knock nearly anything down.
T: Hurlburt Industry.
B: The finest base I was ever at.
T: Panama.
B: Fun to stop by, but I don’t want to stay there.
T: Saudi Arabia.
B: Would like to go back to see what it appears to be like now.
T: Desert Storm.
B: Unjustified.
T: Saddam Hussein.
B: Dead. Superior reasoning.
T: George Bush.
B: Likeable man. I have achieved him, but I don’t feel he performed by the procedures.
T: Norman Schwarzkopf.
B: Outstanding common.
T: Colin Powell.
B: Outstanding common.
T: How do you want to be remembered?
B: As an person who cherished their nation.
T: Where did you fulfill your spouse?
B: My first spouse was a childhood sweetheart. We ended up married about 14 months. We realized we had been way too youthful, and we are nevertheless great pals. She wrote to me in Desert Storm. My next wife is my children’s mom. I have 3 kids with her. I adopted her daughter, simply because I always regarded her my daughter. I had two boys with her and they will normally be my children. The wife I have now is my soulmate. I met her at Cable One, now it is Sparklight. She is who I was waiting around for my whole everyday living to meet.
T: Sir, this is an fantastic job interview. I want to thank you for the services and thank you for the interview.
B: Thank you.